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#1324480 - 12/29/08 03:06 AM ATF in Diesel
Ari G Offline


Registered: 09/19/05
Posts: 8
Loc: Iceland
People seem to be adding ATF in there alternative fuels(Kerosene) as lubricant,anyone heard or seen the effects of it?


Edited by Ari G (12/29/08 03:11 AM)

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#1324607 - 12/29/08 09:14 AM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: Ari G]
JHZR2 Offline



Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 33448
Loc: New Jersey
Why would you want to do that??? When ATF and most any other lube oils burn, they produce an ash of sorts, and it can potentially be problemmatic in many ways.

Why use an inferior product when purpose specific adds exist?

Non-ash two stroke oil would be the farthest I'd go...

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#1324672 - 12/29/08 10:30 AM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: JHZR2]
Ari G Offline


Registered: 09/19/05
Posts: 8
Loc: Iceland
Donīt ask me probably cheaper or they just donīt know about it,iīm just trying to find something that would cause
people to use it as a "lubricant" with kerosene or the other stuff

If you use kerosene,is there anything other then just 2 stroke you would like to put in it once in a while for lubricity for mechanical wear

Is ATF lubricating at all? I thought not so thatīs why iīm asking

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#1327047 - 12/31/08 07:38 PM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: Ari G]
firemediceric Offline


Registered: 04/18/07
Posts: 66
Loc: Vero Beach, FL
As little as 2% biodiesel makes up for the lack of lubrication with K1

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#1327805 - 01/01/09 06:01 PM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: firemediceric]
deeter16317 Offline


Registered: 12/07/07
Posts: 1339
Loc: SE, PA
ATF costs more than most diesel fuel additives on the market...

ATF of yesteryear was sometimes used as an additive (before additives were *cool*)...but they have changed significantly and are thought to actually reduce the lubrication in fuel. And to top it off, the modern diesel engines are not the same beast in production and anything like that through a HPCR could literally wear it out in a few tank fulls.
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#3076816 - 07/26/13 10:32 AM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: deeter16317]
snofarmer Offline


Registered: 04/01/12
Posts: 25
Loc: MN
According to the U.S. Army's quarterly fuel and lubricant bulletin (March 1994), laboratory testing using the Ball-on-cylinder lubricity evaluation (BOCLE) had shown that the addition of ATF to a low sulfur fuel does not improve the fuel's lubricity rating. Moreover, the presence of ATF in fuel can adversely affect other performance properties of diesel fuel.

It a broken record.
this mtyh that atf is good is amazing.

yea, back in the 50's some found it to be a cheep detergent so they thought it was good.
it is not.

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#3196294 - 11/24/13 04:40 AM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: Ari G]
Exhaustgases Offline


Registered: 12/18/11
Posts: 20
Loc: kirkland, wa
And it may damage sensors and exhaust after treatment systems on the newer diesel vehicles.

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#3264063 - 01/29/14 04:58 PM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: Ari G]
sixtwoturbo Offline


Registered: 01/28/14
Posts: 33
Loc: Abbotsford, BC
I burn WATF by the gallons, mixed with diesel, jet fuel, and zero issues except coking up the injectors. I am running modified injectors and they are doing much better. 7500 KM's and not as badly coked as the stockers. If I can go 15K before cleaning then i'll be happy.
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#3267175 - 02/01/14 06:49 PM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: sixtwoturbo]
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 14305
Loc: Midwest
Originally Posted By: sixtwoturbo
I burn WATF by the gallons, mixed with diesel, jet fuel, and zero issues except coking up the injectors. I am running modified injectors and they are doing much better. 7500 KM's and not as badly coked as the stockers. If I can go 15K before cleaning then i'll be happy.


So there are issues with burning ATF.

What's happening in the combustion chamber and how is it affection the engine oil?
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#3267533 - 02/02/14 05:30 AM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: MolaKule]
LargeCarManX2 Offline


Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 2279
Loc: Up here in the NorthWest
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: sixtwoturbo
I burn WATF by the gallons, mixed with diesel, jet fuel, and zero issues except coking up the injectors. I am running modified injectors and they are doing much better. 7500 KM's and not as badly coked as the stockers. If I can go 15K before cleaning then i'll be happy.


So there are issues with burning ATF.

What's happening in the combustion chamber and how is it affection the engine oil?



Most likely he is getting the jet fuel free and mixing it with diesel. A better alternative would be to mix the jet, diesel, and quality fuel additive run thru a filter after mixing to avoid engine/injector problems. The only time I would run ATF is if my fuel system was frozen and I would fill the filters with straight ATF in the past to thaw the system out....now a day's specialty products are available for this.
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#3274724 - 02/08/14 11:10 AM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: Ari G]
JMJNet Offline


Registered: 09/06/07
Posts: 322
Loc: TX, USA
Depends on what kind of diesel engine Ari_G is talking about.

If it is a diesel engine up to the 1980s which include the GM's 6.2L Diesel, then using ATF or WATF may be fine with the IP.

After that, then it is questionable.

I own a GM's 6.5L TD which I would not put any ATF or WATF.
I used 2-cycle oil to increase lubricity.
The Optical Sensor inside the IP does not like anything colorful especially if it is black.

If the diesel engine is newer than that like Duramax, I would not do it. You are at the risk of ruining engine in a $50K (USD) truck with the injector cost of at least $200 (USD) a piece so at least $2400 just for injector. I heard that is low ball pricing.
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#3275155 - 02/08/14 06:24 PM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: JMJNet]
krismoriah72 Offline


Registered: 02/16/09
Posts: 141
Loc: wv
Its one of those talks after a few beers that leads you to say..if it was the end of the world what would you drive? That would lead to me saying that i would have a diesel because of all the things that you can pour in the tank and it will get me past the zombies lol. Here is a list of what you can run in your diesel while your neighbors hunt for gasoline.

http://brinkoffreedom.net/homesteading/alternative-fuels-diesel-engines/


Here is a good discussion on ATF in fuel, the original poster was told to run ATF in his duramax by the technician..then the experts chime in.

http://www.cedarcreekrvownersclub.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2797

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#3284674 - 02/16/14 09:57 PM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: Ari G]
leroyd92 Offline


Registered: 01/21/14
Posts: 213
Loc: AZ
Fwiw, my neighbor I had years ago, added 3/4oz per gallon to his 7.3.

He used it strictly to tow a toy hauler to glamis or a distant area pulling toys...

He one day, used tcw3 that his son recommended (he works for the local dodge dealership here in town) and used a 128:1 mix.

His truck got so quiet and smooth he got worried. Then he got happy that the motor liked it so well. He even picked up ~2mpg towing and that made him happy as a clam.

He stopped using atf after that. But the truck had over 60k before he tried it.

I doubt its hurting much, but I'd follow what other diesel users love and trust and what makes you happy

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#3287443 - 02/19/14 04:55 PM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: Ari G]
Reg# 43897 Offline


Registered: 11/28/04
Posts: 698
Loc: Fredericton
Ditto on the two-stroke oil. My Cummins is so much smoother & quieter w/ that in the fuel. I also notice a similar effect using biodiesel (on the rare time when I can get it).

John.

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#3289077 - 02/21/14 12:25 AM Re: ATF in Diesel [Re: MolaKule]
sixtwoturbo Offline


Registered: 01/28/14
Posts: 33
Loc: Abbotsford, BC
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: sixtwoturbo
I burn WATF by the gallons, mixed with diesel, jet fuel, and zero issues except coking up the injectors. I am running modified injectors and they are doing much better. 7500 KM's and not as badly coked as the stockers. If I can go 15K before cleaning then i'll be happy.


So there are issues with burning ATF.

What's happening in the combustion chamber and how is it affection the engine oil?



Yes, minor issues. The money saved over replacing injectors and a few GP's far outweighs the slight inconvience. I am saving $5-$600 a month in fuel costs, I rebuild my own injectors, nozzles cost $150.

Engine oil seems ok, I change it at 7500 km's using Rotella T6 or Lucas 15w40 synthetic. I've put aprox 20K on using alt fuels, looked inside the precup and a slight build up. The motor is coming out in the next 3-4 months as the main webs are cracked and I have a GEP engine to go in.
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