Originally Posted By: kingrob
Your point? I'm saying that if you're adding a chemical to your engine that is capable of self-emulsifying the worst sludge, then the chemical has to be so strong that it will rot your motor from the inside out. Hence the fact that most chemicals simply clean the crud off of your engine, but that crud drains back to the bottom of your pan. Auto RX is inheritable even milder than these other solvents according to Frank. So if the deposits aren't emulsified by Auto RX where are they going? They can't all end up in the filter.
Arx is inherintly milder and inherintly slower than many of the traditional solvents. At least the ones that work. I really wouldn't classify Rislone as a shock solvent, though, b/c quite honestly, I've never seen it do anything. I believe you said the same.
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Huh? Come again? I was never aware that your engine would self destruct in less than five minutes after the cleaning process. Once you let everything cool off and settle to the bottom of your engine, then you pull your pan.
If your engine is cruded up enough, yes it could very well happen. Stuff gets knocked off the internals and yes, it goes to the oil pan. Does the oil pump not pull oil up from the pan? What's it going to pull with it? All the crud you just washed off is going to magically sit there in the bottom of the pan?
All worst case, of course!!!! I'm just pointing out the potential, that's all.
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They're just as right as the people that swear by Auto RX.
I've got photos that I happily post showing my results. And of course, when I do, some how it's part of a nefarious plot to show them again. So I'll refrain until asked. My point is, general auotmotive forums are NOT the best place to go for oil advice, as much is based on what there favorite shadetree told them 30 years ago.
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I've never in my life heard of this happening after a flush.
The one time I flushed my 9-5, I had a horrible squeak for about 5 seconds upon refilling and starting up. No harm, but it illustrates the point that when you use a thin flush, you risk rinsing too much good oil off vital parts. Of course, I flushed past cars with no issue (that I know of), but, like I said before, I'm just pointing out the possibility.
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Maybe with the search you can turn up missing threads that were deleted years ago because people spoke too harshly about Auto RX or Amsoil. Oh wait, you can't. They're deleted for a reason, wiped from the pages of BITOG history.
It sure turns up plenty of threads I commented on where I told Frank arx was no different than redline and a waste of money. When threads get deleted on here, it's been my experience it's only b/c things got to a childish level and there was no point in leaving the thread visible for everyone to see just how silly people can be. I can speak from experience. Heck, I had to start a new account over stupid things that I posted. But was it b/c I was "badmouthing arx?" No, it was b/c I was being an a-ss.
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So what makes his product so much better than the competition? The price? People like you who would rather argue the inarguable because of whatever "clique" you wish to ally yourself with? Like I said, if ARX was the bees knees it wouldn't be COMPARED to "cheapo" additives. The fact that there IS a group of skeptical ARX users out there that rank ARX with products like Rislone and Restore should tell you something about the product, not the users.
I argue from the standpoint of having had arx work for me when I tried all that other stuff. Again, I can list it if you'd like, but won't for fear someone else will accuse me of finding an excuse of making a testimonial. Arx is compared to cheapo aditives because yes, some of them DO work. No one's going to dispute that. I'm not, at least. But I haven't seen any that work as well as arx does with the margin of safety that arx has. That's all. I don't think it's some miracle product and I'd be the first to tell you that it's waaaaay to expensive for my liking. But until someone can hustle the formula away from Frank and sell it at Wal-Mart, what can you do? You're paying for better chemistry. If arx hadn't worked for me, I certainly wouldn't be wasting my breathe here looking like some zealot. I'd unpause SNL and finish my Budweiser.
But given the fact that I would sleep with a can of Berryman B-12 Chemtool, I am just as surprised as many folks to point out that arx worked better than what I think is the KING of the thin, shock solvents.
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Amsoil gets compared to other oils everyday. Gary and Pablo don't jump up with a mis-spelled FAQ sheet in defense of their products any time someone says that they achieved better results with another brand of oil. IMO I'd run Supertech before I would Amsoil. And I appreciate the fact that Gary doesn't feel the need to tell me I'm wrong for wanting to do so.
I didn't say AMSOIL doesn't get compared to other oils. What I said was what people are doing here is as out of place as someone saying AMSOIL (an oil MOST people here acknowledge as one of the finest long-drain oils) were stated to be no better than some bargain basement SM dino for the same purpose. Sure you can compare it. But there's no real comparison.
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He's more darned if he does than if he doesn't.
No, because if he doesn't he gets people coming in here not knowing and understanding what's different about arx. Look up half the threads on here. Arx gets called a flush. Not to mention your own description of it as a "detergent" a few posts back.
Frank posted an opinion on Rislone on the basis of having intimate knowledge of what Rislone is and what arx is. Why can't you just take it as his opinion and keep on with the thread instead of diverting things into another reason to bash him?
Why not just end this and go back to Rislone-which you, yourself had no trouble advising against? I have a bottle of the new formula on my shelf but haven't used the stuff in years. Can't see the need to. But I'm certainly open to hearing ANYone's opinions, as I believe the OP was.