Originally Posted By: kingrob
Originally Posted By: Frank
Making a 'sorta' type "claim" is amazing after your done experimenting do an Auto-Rx Clean & Rinse and get this off your internals and out of your oil.
How?
I failed to mention in my earlier post that I inspected my motor after Auto RX and it did very little in removing sludge. That's why I've stuck with my more "labor intensive" routine.
But I myself don't delude myself into thinking a product like ARX or MMO or Rislone will self-emulsify every deposit in an engine. That stuff has to go somewhere, and it's going to end up at the bottom of your oil pan. Going by the laws of chemical physics if you're running a detergent strong enough to emulsify each little particulate then your motor will dissolve before your eyes. Hence the cleaning the pan and screen after a "bath". This may seem like too much work for some but if your goal is to clean your engine, then don't half arse it, do it right!
It was mentioned that the price of ARX is looking better and better after what I put into my regimen, but the cost of an oil pan gasket, valve cover gasket, and a few bottles of MMO still don't equal the cost of a bottle of ARX, and I
know that my method works. How can you qualify that a product like ARX actually cleaned your engine without inspecting it for yourself?
I have, and while it does get some surface crud loose, if your motor is in need of a good cleaning then only after several bottles of ARX will it get the job done, a tremendous cost in the face of other engine treatments. Is it still arguably "safer" to do it this way? I don't believe so. As I said in my previous post I've seen no evidence that doing my method of engine cleaning results in anything more than an oil pan drop and cleaning.
If you get off of BITOG for a few minutes and look at the other Automotive forums on the web (I belong to a few myself) you'll see that ARX doesn't quite have the same glowing reputation that it does here on BITOG. I'm not knocking Frank or his product (we all have to eat right?) but I know three years ago this thread wouldn't have got this far along without being shut down. IMO you shouldn't take money from Sponsors if you want to have a healthy unbiased discussion forum. Used to be someone had a less than glowing review of ARX or Amsoil and the thread would immediately get closed down and disappear from the annals of history. I hope this doesn't start happening again, as I only recently started posting again after a long hiatus due to the above-mentioned nonsense.
Gary, Johnny, and most of the other sponsors are so non-biased that you forget that they represent a product. (I'm not so sure if Johnny really represents Pennzoil anymore or could be qualified as a sponsor but whatever). I don't care for Pennzoil OR Amsoil, but I still like and respect Johnny and Gary as they're both realistic and don't feel the need to jump up and cry each time somebody mentions that they don't like their respective brands (something Pablo even stopped doing
eventually).
But Frank IMO it only hurts you when you jump up to quickly knock another product and to push ARX on everybody. Then you add in some stupendous claim or cut and paste from your FAQ sheet. If you just let the product and other members speak for themselves you'll probably get more respect (and hence more sales). My :2cents:
Well stated kingrob. I agree with everything you wrote sir.
Jon