Aside from the advertised "100% Synthetic" does anyone have the goods on whether the highest percentage of Motul Eco-nergy 5w-30 is mineral or synthetically based?
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JHZR2
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what does it really matter, provided that it provides good results? Too many are caught up in the supposed "value proposition" of group III vs IV basestock, without looking at the overaqll chemistry, which is what REALLY matters.
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Absolutely I agree! However if you are to market/badge your product as 100% anything then that should be the case, don't you think? I'm only curious about the Motul product as they don't offer their composition as readily for instance as compared to Total/Elf who too lists some products as 100% but also offers MSDS showing otherwise. You just want to know what you are paying for and then as you say, make a decision based on the results. Then the term "synthetic" wouldn't matter as much!
JHZR2
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no oil will ever be 100% anything, even if it is actually a true 100% synthetic. The reason is base oil carriers.
100% synthetic oil might only be 90% syn oil, with 10% carrier for additives.
I'd rather have 90% syn with the best adds in a 10% cheapo base, than truly 100% syn, with less soluble adds at lower dosing rates.
JMH
100% synthetic oil might only be 90% syn oil, with 10% carrier for additives.
I'd rather have 90% syn with the best adds in a 10% cheapo base, than truly 100% syn, with less soluble adds at lower dosing rates.
JMH
....Me as well. Thus my original question. What's the goods on Motul Eco-nergy 5w-30?
I asked Motul Oz the same question about 18 months ago and they told me Eco Energy is definitely Group 4, not Group 3.
Is it just me or was Motul's site odd? I tried to grab an MSDS to look but I couldn't get anywhere. Sorry.
As far as I have been able to determine, all Motul products are either Group IV or V.
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7TFord - Motul make a range of formulations - Grp2, Grp3, Grp4 and Grp4/5 as I understand it. Some are application specific, especially V300 in certain viscosities
Like FUCHS and ExxonMobil they have a lot of experience with esters
The one you mention is probably Grp4
Their volume sellers are Grp3 - synthetic as you know it in NA, and semi-synthetic as we do!
As a lubricant they are of good quality but nothing special and some probably compare well with some Amsoil products. They will buy their ingredients from the "Majors" of course
Some have various Manufacturer Approvals so they are on the ball!
Motul was formed in New York in 1853 and made whale oil for lanterns. It was once owned by Standard Oil of New Jersey
The Zaugg family purchased it and moved the lot to France about 1932
7TFord - Motul make a range of formulations - Grp2, Grp3, Grp4 and Grp4/5 as I understand it. Some are application specific, especially V300 in certain viscosities
Like FUCHS and ExxonMobil they have a lot of experience with esters
The one you mention is probably Grp4
Their volume sellers are Grp3 - synthetic as you know it in NA, and semi-synthetic as we do!
As a lubricant they are of good quality but nothing special and some probably compare well with some Amsoil products. They will buy their ingredients from the "Majors" of course
Some have various Manufacturer Approvals so they are on the ball!
Motul was formed in New York in 1853 and made whale oil for lanterns. It was once owned by Standard Oil of New Jersey
The Zaugg family purchased it and moved the lot to France about 1932
I stand corrected. Doug is 100% correct
He always is. He is 'The Man'
How About Motul H-TECH 100 PLUS 5w-30 GF4 SM.
http://www.motul.co.jp/product_line_up/4stroke/4stroke25.html
http://cart.zhapalang.com.my/product_inf...jpb71kfed83f2i3
The price is under a usual PAO, almost same as FK Freshing Mineral 5w-30 N/A.
I guess it is Group III. Any info?
http://www.motul.co.jp/product_line_up/4stroke/4stroke25.html
http://cart.zhapalang.com.my/product_inf...jpb71kfed83f2i3
The price is under a usual PAO, almost same as FK Freshing Mineral 5w-30 N/A.
I guess it is Group III. Any info?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but European oil companies can't advertise Grp III oils as "100% Synthetics", at least not in Europe. Since the Motul stuff is the same around the world if the bottle says "100% Synthese" then it's probably a mainly a group IV oil. If it also has the word "Ester" on the bottle then it's probably mainly a Group V oil. Motul will advertise their semi-synthetics as "Technosynthese".
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